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A patient’s story: Why one man chose robotic-assisted laparoscopic prostatectomy

Published: November 08, 2009


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July 16, 2018

Can u email this article to me? I would like my husband to read it. I just read it on my phone while he is driving back home from vacation.
This article was very helpful.
How do I look up doctors in my city to find out how many robotics surgery they have done?

June 17, 2018

Also, I do from time to time enjoy sex with older men from late 60’s and up and have not met anyone that has had prostate removal. I need to see a urologist as I have UTI symptoms but am not infected but 3 stones have been found.Urine stream good,no pain in prostate even when receiving anal sex. Has anyone found prostate massage to remove stones? If so I would only want a doctor to perform it.Zinc, magnesium? Thanks

June 17, 2018

I am 47 and have masturbated since I was 12. I do it 3-6 times a day 5-6 times a week. I am very sexual in nature. I don’t sleep with a lot of people either. So masturbation is my main sex. I do from time to time engage in sex with MTF(Male To Female) people. I enjoy anal sex(On me as I like how a penis feels in my rectum)not as much the thrusting in my rectum but I like how a penis just feels inserted in me. Sometimes I use a dildo. Without a prostate is there even a desired sensation with a penis or dildo in the rectum then? I mean the prostate is what makes it feel good.Anyone engage in this that is gay/bisexual as well? This is why to me foreplay is very important it makes your penis erect (mental stimulation).A pump will make you erect but your brain is what gets you to orgasm. If anyone knows please let me know as I just can’t even imagine life without sex at all. I must have orgasms.

June 06, 2018

I remember reading this thread back when i first was diagnosed with prostate cancer last November. I really was depressed. Well, if that is you, i am here to give you some hope as long as you are smart enough to do what you need to do.

I am sixty and two months out of robotic surgery. When i was first diagnosed, my urologist who happened to be a good friend of mine, was a member of one of the largest uro groups in the country, that is correct, country. Although he discussed all the different alternatives, when i asked him what he would do, he said robotic surgery by Dr Zagaja at the University of Chicago. So out of the hundreds of doctors, including himself who is a surgeon, this was his recommendation. Following my own research like googling best prostate surgeon in Chicago, he was the top candidate.

my wife and i (we are both attorneys) went to visit him and we were impressed, which is not easy to do. I remember reading stats that said open surgery gets same results as robotic, etc. Well here is what really matters. What is your surgeon’s stats? If they do not know their stats, run the other way. Stats in general are meaningless. It is what your guy does that matters. Well, he had been doing robotic for 16+ years, was one of the pioneers and has taught hundreds of others how to do this. The three docs in the practice there have done a total of 7000 robotic surgeries and he had done 4000 of those himself!! I remember reading above about a doctor that had done 400 or 10. What are you crazy? He knew his stats by heart and here they are:

Scar tissue on the urethra where they sew it together in general is 5-12%. His is 0.3%

Long term incontinence issue is 3-5%, 15-20% dry the week of surgery, 50-55% dry (pad free) within 3 month, 65% dry within 6 months, and 95-97% dry within 1 year.

Erection-if both nerves spared 70% have no issues. If left nerves have to go 50% no issues.

And giving your numbers to two lawyers who are writing them down in front of you as you speak means you know what they are and are confident in them.

So my experience, first erection came 2 days after catheter removed so that would be about day 9. Both my nerves were spared. They prescribe cialis just to help with blood flow even if it takes longer to get there. Still take it even when not interested in getting an erection just so blood flow keeps improving.

I was pad free days at 5 weeks and pad free nights at 6 weeks. Doing the kegels before surgery for weeks helped build the muscles and having world class physical therapists in this area is great. I would leak about a tablespoon or so a day weeks 2-4 (measured pads before and after on jewelry scale in grams to the one hundredth of a gram and kept a log) but after 1 session of PT, I was pad free 3 days later.The kegel was not my issue it was the relaxing and stretching of pelvic floor after the contraction. Who knew? The PT knew!

so the moral of the story is do not use a local doctor unless your local doctor is part of a world renowned facility like the University of Chicago and has done THOUSANDS of these. When i had back fusion a year of so ago i did the same thing. Who is best spine surgeon in Chicago. They are at RUSH. easy surgery, done. Unless you are on Medicare or Medicaid, or have Obamacare (which the good places in Chicago do not take), it costs nothing more to go to the best. You wont be sorry.

quick side story.Have an acquaintance who lives in florida that just had robotic. And doing well. found out his surgeon was one of the ones trained by my surgeon! Small world.

I hope this gives someone our there the ideas they need to make the correct decisions.

May 31, 2018

Hello to my American friends.

I have prostate cancer with a Gleason score of 6 but with an increasing PSA, now at 11.3. My diagnosis was in November 2017 and it’s taken me until now to decide what to do – that decision is to have robotic prostatectomy and in that respect I am awaiting my operation.

I have asked my surgeon if he does the retzius sparing technique but he does not and here in the UK it is still relatively new. I was wondering if this might be available in the USA to some of the people on this forum as this could well resolve some of the issues being discussed.

I am a patient and of course it’s down to individual surgeons on the techniques available and what they are trained in. However, I throw it into the forum to help if possible.

Steven Swain
May 31, 2018

Over here in the UK I am waiting on robotic surgery. Only offered in 2 centres over here (and not by my surgeon) is a relatively new robotic treatment that might be available to yiu in the USA.
This is retzius sparing and it’s supposed to help incontinence and potency by quite a margin. It does this by removing the prostate from a different direction.
It doesn’t help me as my centre, or surgeon, doesn’t do it as yet.
Good luck to you all in the USA with this horrible disease and as for all of us, no real clear path on the best way going forward.

May 25, 2018

I am 57 years old. I have a gleason 6 with a PSA of 8.9. I’m about to see my urologist to decide on a final course of treatment. I’m leaning toward a robotic prostatecomy. Does anyone know if the procedure has improved over the past five years? Does it continue to get better? This was my question.

May 22, 2018

To the question of focal HIFU…My PSA was at 24. Physician and I discussed and he said I was a candidate for focal HIFU rather than total. Underwent the procedure and voila! PSA of 9! Do not do focal HIFU. The procedure is painless and I have had no continence problems so do the total. Am having some ED but chalking it up to the stress of the failure of the procedure to get the cancer. Don’t know what I am going to do next.

May 21, 2018

Hi all, I had a PSA of 10 over 7 years ago, ultrasound guided biopsy through the rectum, 28 needles found nothing. Got my gut flora back in some kind of balance and PSA went back down to 3.5. I paid for an MRI two years later just to check, result was also clear. Father had Prostate removed 30 years ago at age 60 – still going.

Last year PSA went to 4.5, 6 month later 7.8. I decided to find the best surgeon, MRI showed a small spot, had a robotic biopsy from the outside, the digital MRI data is loaded into this robotic machine and it does a 2 needle biopsy and that is incredibly accurate.

Result was a Gleason 3+4 in one very small area. Had a new type of PET scan (not approved in AU but signed a form and got it – expensive) it’s very sensitive and detects any Prostate cancer signature in the body, had a 10% false positive. Apparently he uses this as an aid to confirm the MRI and to see if local nodes are involved or if it has escaped into the body. All clear and confirmed the MRI result.

My age is 66, after looking at all the options I went with Robotic Assisted Radical Prostatectomy.

Have been doing pelvic floor exercises on and off for years as I walk (better sex), upped those even more in the weeks leading up to surgery.

Had surgery 2 weeks ago, out the next day and walked 1/2 mile, walked more and more each day, catheter out 6 days later, no leakage at all since, not even when sneezing, it seems that I automatically tension my pelvic floor when exerting in any way, can stop the flow instantly mid stream even with a full bladder. Sometimes wake up at the night busting to go and dreaming of having a pee, but still no leaks. Can’t believe it.

Surgeon examined Prostate on removal and said it looked like the cancer was indeed completely enclosed. Week later the biopsy results confirmed no breech. Also confirmed that his surgery had not cut or touched the small area of cancer.

Now I wait for a PSA test in a 2 months, fingers crossed. I feel as active and as good as I did prior to the surgery, no other side affects at this stage, partial erection and orgasm but not pushing anything at the moment as it only just over 2 weeks since the operation.

Best wishes to all and hang in there.

April 29, 2018

I am a spouse who is the data collector in our relationship. Husband is 55, had PSA 4.1 and Gleason 6/PIRADS 4 MRI. Biopsy came back with mostly 3+4 Gleason 7, however I had samples sent to Johns Hopkins and they came back with several 4+3 and some perineural involvement on Left side (cancer is in the Apex). This indicates a more agressive type of cancer. The first surgeon recommending removal of all lymph nodes (which makes me nervous on top of everything else).

We are consulting with surgeons. My question is: can anyone who has had a good outcome recommend one? We are in the Northeast and willing to travel up to 8 hours (NY, MA, MD).

April 19, 2018

Anyone have Prostate Focal Laser Ablation that can share their story? Am considering this as opposed to surgery.

Darrry Davison
April 14, 2018

Ok-I had my biopsy late Feb to find that I had prostate cancer and advised by my Urologist that the only option for me was to have the Prostate removed robotically
My surgeon advised me that he has completed the procedure over 1500 times with only 11 patients dying- a good result in my mind
I have been advised that the operation was successful “but I am glad that I operated now”
Have my catheter removed tomorrow 6 days post op- so will just have to see how things go from there
Lots of things that I am not sure about here with regard to ruin ciontrol in particular- so I hope that I am pro-active with my exercises
will update in 1 moths time



April 10, 2018

I just got results – 3/4 intermediate. I am in Austin and consulting with a Robotic Assisted specialists on Thursday. I am normally a very private person as i am sure many of us are. As an engineer i look to the facts but my wife is much more on the emotions–but to be honest, my emotions swing wildly. I am just trying to absorb all of this at 57 years and very healthy/active. I am thankful for the access to great medical procedures and for company insurance. My faith gives me hope no matter what but to be honest i have a WTF attitude right now. i know this is not very helpful but it seems like a forum for just saying it…thanks. i hope i can post something positive or instructive 🙂

Thomas K Collins
April 07, 2018

Can you comment on Proton Therapy in regards to post treatment impotence and urinary retention problems. I have access to this therapy but will have travel for same. I am 76 and have an active sex life. I served in SEA and was exposed to Agent Orange. I had a high velocity rise from 2.5 to 6.5 and my 4K was reported as “probably” to “ High Risk”

March 28, 2018

My targeted prostate biopsy shows intermediate grade cancer, Gleason 3+4=7. My MD Anderson team in Houston recommends Robotic Assisted Radical Prostatectomy. Potency and Incontient are still the issues (ricks) for us to deal with. It is great to read this article and many great inputs. I and my wife will have a good discussion on the choice. Thank everyone!

March 21, 2018

I sure appreciate all your comments. I’m 56 and got the results of my biopsy a few days ago. Four samples on the right with Gleason 7 (3+4) and 2 samples on the left with G6. There have been very few problems with cancer in my family so I thought I would never have to deal with this.

I have a consult with a surgeon specializing in robotic prostatectomies next week. My urologist is recommending the surgery. It looks like I have what may be a tough decision ahead of me. Just wanted to chime in and say that I am very appreciative of everyone sharing their stories here.

Best of luck to you (and to me) and God bless.

Jesse, I’d be curious to hear if you are able to return to work in two weeks.

March 11, 2018

Reading all the posts I don’t see too many 70 year olds with sucessful urinary holding power

March 11, 2018

I am 70 and scheduled for a Radical Prostatectomy and scared to heck because I have to return to work in two weeks, oh Boy.

February 19, 2018

I just had the laparoscopic prostatectomy on 01/23/18 so the verdict is not yet out. I will say that once I dealt with the deep breathing issues (had a cough before the surgery)the pain of anything else, versus a cough was nothing! I am in week three of recovery with incontinence, and I walk consistently however I still do have quite a bit of perineal discomfort.

As far as the surgery goes, per my doctor, it appears that the cancer was all in my prostate. My first PSA exam will be in March.

My concern is, at my age of 57, that I have not been rendered impotent. My research says that I may not have the answer for a year or more.

Wg Cdr KJ Bhatt
February 17, 2018

Good gen going in for Robotic keep u posted.

doug orton
January 09, 2018

doug i started feeling very tired 5 years ago told family doc he sent me for psa test he told me the test was very high for prostate cancer so was refered to a urogest he did the dre examination and sent me for a biopsy test came back at a 9 on gleason score doc told me i was very high risk so 4 weks later had a prostectomy i remember that shortly after opperation two nurses came into my room and washed me up they were so abusive that i called my wife to come and get me out of there i left with a cathitor and drain hose in place i was 64 years old i am now 69 i had no truoble with erections but had to go to emergency 2 times as cathitor pluged up my psa stared out shortly after op at .03 5 years later i am at 1.3 i have tryed all kinds of potionds vitamins and remidys but psa is still going up i might add 3 of 7 lympth glans taken out had cancer

November 25, 2017

Nov 25th 2017
I had RP on 26th September 2016. No erection upto now. The pump has helped me to have sex with some degree of satisfaction. I have been advised to try invicorp injection as well. I am still experiencing some incontinence with minor leakage which is more in the evening. I use light protective shields. Despite all this am happy for life. My psa is undetectable. I am not regretting.

November 24, 2017

This ”story” about ”nerve sparring” is essentially an elaborate false advertisement for robotic machines and surgeons. Any guy who has had his prostate removed soon learns, very sadly, how rarely or how little this technique actually works.

Kelly Rice
October 14, 2017

Hi I am 63 years old I just had the robotic surgery 9/18/2017 the side of effect I’m having extreme incontinence and erection. also constipation. My doctor informed me that the biopsy the cancer was excessive, it was inside of the prostate gland. My next appointment the doctor had to take another PSA TEST. I hope ever work out well. I need to know will incontinent, erectile dysfunction and bowel movement improve.

August 23, 2017

I’m 65 years old and had surgery 6 months ago, on Feb 14th, and I’ve experienced urinary incontinence ever since. My doctor has referred me to get pelvic floor rehab. I’ve been doing kegel exercises, but the doctor says I’m probably doing them improperly. He said if I do decide to do radiation I need to improve as much as possible in that area before beginning treatment. He said once I have radiation there won’t be any further improvement because of scarring. He was very forthright and told us there was no way the radiation beam wouldn’t affect my rectum. He said it radiates the front wall of the rectum, which could possibly leave me with bowel incontinence, urinary incontinence and fatigue. Has anyone on here had the surgery followed by radiation? I would really like to learn more about side effects I can expect if I have radiation. I am severely bipolar and on a lot of medication for it, so the hormone therapy isn’t an option for me. Thank you, Marc

Marcus Bolton
August 23, 2017

I’m 65 years old and had surgery 6 months ago, on Feb 14th, and I’ve experienced urinary incontinence ever since. My doctor has referred me to get pelvic floor rehab. I’ve been doing kegel exercises, but the doctor says I’m probably doing them improperly. He said if I do decide to do radiation I need to improve as much as possible in that area before beginning treatment. He said once I have radiation there won’t be any further improvement because of scarring. He was very forthright and told us there was no way the radiation beam wouldn’t affect my rectum. He said it radiates the front wall of the rectum, which could possibly leave me with bowel incontinence, urinary incontinence and fatigue. Has anyone on here had the surgery followed by radiation? I would really like to learn more about side effects I can expect if I have radiation. I am severely bipolar and on a lot of medication for it, so the hormone therapy isn’t an option for me. Thank you, Marc

James H.
June 27, 2017

I am due to go in on 6/29/17 for robot-assisted radical prostatectomy due to gleason 3+4 on one core sample and gleason 6 on balance of core samples. Of 12 cores collected at biopsy, only 8 cores arrived at the pathologist. I was told that sometimes the cores “disintegrate” in the formalin fixative and therefore cannot be examined by the pathologist. Has anyone else had that experience?

Alan Tate
April 04, 2017

I had surgery about 3.5yrs ago, I have tried many methods to obtain an erection, the only success I have had is injections. I’m not a lover of needles but when it comes to my sex life it is important.
I’m wandering why there cant be a prostate made that can act as per the normal one; I’m not saying with semi fluid I’m just wandering why we cant have a replacement gland.
If there are studies or research done I’d love to know about it….

K Morris
March 22, 2017

Is there some inherent risk with surgery for men of a particular race? what I mean is, it seems that very few African American men choose the surgery robot or open laparoscopic for their prostate cancer. Am I wrong, or is there a higher risk (either short term or long term) involved with the surgery. I have to make a decision, and with all the information out there and the input from the doctors, I am undecided as to the best choice. regards

Yilliang Peng
February 14, 2017

I like what the doctor said about how if the robot does not perform optimally, then he would finish the procedure himself. I think that is some great confidence that we all can learn from. Robotic technology is only getting more and more advanced. Maybe one day we will not have a need for doctors! Interesting thought! Thanks so much for the information!

Fred E
January 30, 2017

On 1/3/17 I had davinci robotic prostatectomy. Surgery went well. Took longer than expected. Discharged the following evening.

Experienced little to no pain. Minimal swelling around my belly at first, now back to normal. Catheter was removed one week after surgery. Since then I wore diapers for a couple of weeks and now pads in my underwear. I feel my incontinence is improving day to day. Feeling hopeful.

I have managed a few dry orgasms while semi erect. Hoping too that this will improve with time.

I am 55, 6ft, 185lbs healthy and active. Post surgery PSA is .01. 2/1/17 I have an apt with my surgeon to review pathology report. February 3rd will be one month since surgery. My day to day improvements have me hopeful.

Andy Weaver
January 04, 2017

I had a robotic prostatectomy on 11/29/16. Indications were they got it all, lymph nodes that were removed and tested were cancer free however my Gleason score went from 3+4+7 to 4+5=9 when studied by the pathologist. Surgery was fine, minimal pain. Catheter came out almost a month ago, I go to the doctor tomorrow for my PSA test which I am praying is zero! No erections yet but have managed to have many dry orgasms manually which are great except I am still pretty incontinent. I now it’s only been a month but am anxious to get back to they gym, on my bike etc (cannot go to the locker room with a diaper on, right??). I am still pretty swollen around my belly after a month, my pants don’t fit and I have lost 8 pounds since 11/29. Anyone have the same experience?

Ken shahan
May 24, 2017

Andy just wondering how your prostate history is now
I just completed robotic surgery 2 weeks ago
I had one sample come back gleason score 9 so they scared me in to operation
Biggest problem iam having is leaking every time I stand up. Go for test results next week. Wanted to see if things got better for you
Thanks ken

December 20, 2016

Men beware!

Read the hard facts about prostate cancer testing and treatment what no one will tell you about, even after it’s too late. This is information all men over 40 should have. Also anyone concerned about cancer in general should read this warning.

Prostate cancer patients are often elderly, over treated and exploited for profits, AKA elderly abuse.

The overtreatment of prostate cancer for profit must stop!

The treatment and well documented overtreatment of prostate cancer often results in devastating and unnecessary side effects and sometimes death.

Per some studies:
1 man in 6 will be diagnosed with prostate cancer in his life.
About 233,000 new cases per year of prostate cancer.
About 1 Million blind biopsy’s performed per year.
6.9% hospitalization within 30 days from a biopsy complication.
About 1.3 to 3.5 deaths per 1,000 from prostate blind biopsies.
.2% deaths as a result of prostate cancer surgery.
60% had a prescription filled for an infection after a Biopsy.
Medical mistakes are the third cause of deaths in the USA.
Prostate cancer patients are at an increased risk for depression, suicide, heart attacks and accidental death.

Prostate cancer patients are often elderly and exploited for profit, the treatments offered almost always have horrible side effects, and newer treatment options are ether unavailable or not offered to patients or available outside the USA. Also men are often over treated for profit. Prostate cancer is often slow growing and of low risk and can just be monitored. Often no treatment is the best treatment.

If a surgeon is financially responsible for a building lease or a large staff or an oncologist is also responsible for a lease on 5 million dollars of radiation treatment equipment, do you think they would be more or less upfront about the benefits and hazards of treatment? Do you think the profit margin would compromise some doctor’s ethics?

The risks percentages for side effects from a blind biopsy and Prostate cancer treatments are usually understated to patients and some side effects are not disclosed at all.

Men with a high PSA tests result are usually sent to an urologist for a blind biopsy. Men should be told about other options: Percent free PSA test, PCA3 urine test or a MRI test before receiving a blind biopsy. These tests can often eliminate the need for a more risky and invasive blind biopsy. Insertion of 12 to 18 large holes through the rectum into a gland the size of a walnut, a blind Biopsy can result in prostate infections, a risk of permanent or temporary Erectile Dysfunction, urinary problems and sometimes even death from sepsis (About 1.3 to 3.5 deaths per 1,000 from Blind biopsies). A blind biopsy can also increase your PSA reading for weeks or months.

Prostate cancer patients are often sent for a bone scan. A bone scan has about a 13% chance of having a false positive and only 3 men in 1,000 have bone cancer who have a bone scan. Bone scans are usually unnecessary in lower risk prostate cancer patients.

Low risk Cancer patients or patients with advanced age are often sent for aggressive treatment by some doctors when monitoring is usually a better option. An extreme example of overtreatment is one SBRT (a 5 day radiation treatment) clinical trial. Prostate cancer patients where intentionally treaded with a huge dose (50 Gy) of radiation resulting in disastrous long term side effect for some of these men. A large percentage of prostate cancer patients in this study had low risk cancer.

Clinical trials may or may not be hazardous to patients. The goal of a clinical trial is to gather information; the intent is not necessarily to help or cure patients. In a clinical trial, if someone is given a treatment that will harm them (as in the above example) or given a placebo in place of treatment or needed treatment is withheld, the patient may be deceived or harmed. Investigate before you participate in a clinical trial.

Prostate cancer patients are asked to fill out a series of EPIC questioners and other questioners. The EPIC questioners ask intimate details about patient’s sex life, urinary and bowl function. By a prostate cancer patient completing a EPIC questioner, he may be able to have his doctor, nurse or other office workers track his progress or decline. By refusing to fill out these questioners he can help insure his privacy and insure he do not unknowingly become part of a study or clinical trial or other collective survey. He may be told these questioners and records are confidential; this may not be completely true. Most of the time a patient has no idea who has access to the records or why the records are being looked at. Who has access to medical records? Records are vulnerable. Probably everyone that works in a medical office or building. This may include/however not limited to non-medical employees, office workers, bookkeepers, janitors, insurance companies, temporary high school or collage interns, etc.. Often records are placed on a health information exchange (HIE), dozens or sometimes even hundreds of people may possibly have access to the records. This may include other medical facilities, programmers, hackers, researchers, drug companies, etc. Records may be packaged with other patient records and offered for sale on the internet, this sometimes does happen. If a doctor or a patient or insurance company is involved in a criminal or civil case, medical records may become public court or law enforcement records. All patients should get a copy and read any confidentiality disclosures statements (HIPAA statements). Patients can also become the victims of medical Identity theft. All patients should avoid supplying unnecessary information whenever possible, supply relevant information only.

The most common treatment options for men with prostate cancer are radiation, Brachytherapy, surgery, cryotherapy and hormones (ADT). Sometimes chemotherapy, immunotherapy and castration (Orchiectomy) are used. A combination of treatments is often used. All of these treatments have long term or short term side effects. Often men are not told about all of the true risks and side effects or they are downplayed for both a blind biopsy and treatments.

Brachytherapy is radiation seed implant. This treatment procedure implants 50 to 100 radioactive seeds in the prostate, commonly resulting in urinary problems. The patient will literally become radioactive for about a year. The patient can set off radiation alarm and metal detectors at airport. His semen will become radioactive. The patient will become like a walking Chernobyl, having radioactive scrap metal in his crotch. He will also be required to carry a card in his wallet stating he is radioactive. The videos of this procedure seem disturbing and bizarre. However Brachytherapy seems to have less sexual side effects than some of the other treatments available.

Men are sometimes prescribed hormone therapy (ADT therapy), AKA chemical castration as an additional or only treatment. Hormone therapy is often very expensive (profitable for doctors) and has horrible, strange and devastating side effects. Hormone (ADT) therapy is sometimes over prescribed for profit. This treatment has so many temporary and permanent mind and body altering side effects that doctors will not inform patients about all of them, one of them being feminization. Men are sometimes actually castrated (Orchiectomy) as a cancer treatment to reduce testosterone.

Nerve sparing Robotic-assisted daVinci Surgery is touted as being a better treatment and having fewer side effects, this is usually an exaggeration. The nerves can not always be spared. Robotic surgery can result in a faster initial recovery. However the long term risk of Sexual dysfunction, incontinence, fatigue, etc. is about the same as conventional surgery. Surgery almost always results in Sexual dysfunction and commonly results in incontinence and other side effects. Patients undergoing surgery are at a small risk of developing post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). 25% chance of long term or permanent fatigue. Also .2% risk of deaths as a result of prostate cancer surgery or medical mistakes.

Medical mistakes are the third cause of deaths in the USA. Medical mistakes cause more deaths then suicide, firearms and motor vehicle accidents combined. If you are having surgery, Brachytherapy, a biopsy or a procedure take precautions, if possible have someone qualified or knowledgeable monitor you and your medications, etc..

A blind biopsy or treatments are often worse then the disease: Resulting in Chronic/permanent fatigue, incontinence, depression and sexual dysfunction. Hormone therapy has an extensive list of side effects that can be devastating for men. Biopsies and treatment are degrading, stressful and often unnecessary.

The risk of long term chronic and permanent fatigue is almost always understated if mentioned at all to patients. Depending on your treatment; your risk of long term or permanent fatigue is about 25% to 60%. Radiation with Hormone therapy has a high risk of fatigue. Long term fatigue also increases the risk of clinical depression and suicide.

In my opinion: Castration, hormone therapy (chemical castration), Brachytherapy (radiation seed implant), surgery and blind biopsies are often psychically and emotionally brutal, traumatic and disturbing. These types of treatments (Frankenstein stile medicine) are primitive and almost beyond belief in today’s world of advanced technology. Newer treatments like Hyperthermia, Boron Neutron capture therapy, Focal Ablation and orphan drugs should be investigated. Biopsies should be limited to selective image guided samples only, no blind biopsies should be performed.

Advances in prostate cancer treatment mostly consisting of newer more accurate radiation treatments, robotic surgery and new drugs. These advances sound like greater strides have been made. However most of these approved advances are of limited benefit to prostate cancer patients and still have about the same amount of side effects. Compared to other technologies, computers, communications, electronics, aviation, etc., Cancer treatment approved advances have been dismal. QOL (quality of life) issues have not been adequately addressed. Profit often outweighs QOL issues for some doctors.

Some oncologists are using EBRT (external beam radiation treatment) for cancer treatment. New technology consists of: IMRT, SBRT, IGRT VMAT, TrueBeam, RapidArc, Cyberknife, etc. This newer, faster, more accurate and easer to setup radiation equipment is of much benefit for doctors, staff and a good selling point to patients. However as far as reducing long term side effects, only very small gains have been made with the newer EBRT equipment. A patient should be skeptical if exaggerated claims are made about reduced long term side effects.

Radiotherapy can result in a 5% to 30% temporary or permanent drop in testosterone levels. This drop is determined by the testicular radiation dose, treatment equipment and planning. A significant drop in testosterone can result in increased fatigue, depression and sexual dysfunction.

Radiation can also occasionally result in secondary cancers and damage to “organs at risk” (organs close to the prostate). Radiation has high probability of sexual dysfunction. Sometimes radiation can also cause bowel and urinary problems. A 5 day SBRT radiation treatment is now commonly available with about the same results and side effects as a 9 week treatment.

It seems all of the best treatments for prostate cancer have not been approved and most are only available outside the USA. Treatment options outside the country or under development are HIFU, Laser, Hyperthermia, Boron Neutron capture therapy and orphan drugs, Just to name a few. Focal Laser Ablation is a good option with fewer side effects however it is not widely available in the USA and sometimes not practical.

Any cancer patient (Man or woman) who are being offered chemotherapy should be particularly cautious. Most Chemotherapy is extremely toxic and sometimes deadly. Without genomic testing or proof of the effectiveness of the specific drug being used on the exact cancer type being treated, Chemotherapy is often more toxic to the patient then to the cancer. Chemotherapy is also extremely expensive, profitable for doctors and often misused or sometimes overused.

Do you think the AMA, FDA or any other regulatory agency will stop the exploitation of elderly men with a high PSA or prostate cancer or approve new treatments at the risk of financially bankrupting thousands of treatment facilities and jeopardizing thousands more jobs? Do you think any regulatory agency will set guidelines for treatment and monitoring at the risk of upsetting the doctors who are over treating? Most elderly men are not willing to openly discus there sex life, incontinence or other personal problem making them a more vulnerable victim.

Most of the time few good choices exist for treatment. A prostate cancer patient treatment choice often ends up being the least worst choice or the choice with the side effects a patient thinks he can tolerate. Patients are often misled about the expected results of the treatment being offered.

Long term care consists of regular PSA testing for years. Long term care for side effects is often lacking or exploitive or ineffective. Often complaints of side effects are disregarded by nurses, urologists and oncologists and sometimes referred out to other doctors. The patient is sometimes left to figure out what to do about his side effects with the resources available to him. Long term side effects often consist of fatigue, bowel or urinary problems, sexual dysfunction and other symptoms. Patients with complaints of chronic fatigue are almost always told to exercise, get plenty of sleep, pace yours self and eat a healthy diet; this advice is of limited help for chronic fatigue. Often treatments for long term side effects are embarrassing, degrading, unavailable, nonexistent, costly, not effective, not offered or bothersome. Prostate cancer treatment often results in fatigue, depression, isolation and sometimes suicide. Billions of dollars are profited from E.D. drug and other ED products, catheters, pads and diapers, drugs for depression or pain or insomnia or incontinence, additional treatments and surgeries for side effects. Also treatments for the multiple and bizarre side effects from hormone ADT therapy (chemical castration).

Depression in prostate cancer patients is common, about 27% at 5 years (per some studies) and for advanced prostate cancer patient’s depression is even higher. Prostate cancer patients are at an increased risk of Suicide.

Almost all prostate cancer treatments usually result in erectile dysfunction. Loss of libido occurs at about 45%. Often claims of prompt effective treatment for ED if it occurs after treatment are misleading. Statistics for ED percentages from treatment are quoted after treatment with Viagra, Muse or other ED treatments, therefore the statistics are very misleading. ED rated at 5 years may be as high as 80% or higher for many treatments. The cost for ED drugs like Levitra, Cialis, Viagra and Muse are kept very expensive by drug companies. Many insurance companies will not pay for ED drugs or treatment. Less expensive generic drugs are usually unavailable. Viagra should have already become available in a generic form for about $1 to $2 a pill. This is further exploitation by the drug companies of men in general. These drugs are not always effective and may have side effects. ED treatments can also be embarrassing, not offered, not practical, painful, expensive/not covered by insurance or bothersome.

In conclusion: Prostate cancer patients are often elderly and exploited for profit. A blind biopsy is unsafe and newer test methods should be used. The treatments offered have horrible side effects. Some doctors are treating patients with low risk cancer or advanced age when monitoring is often a better option. Patience with low risk cancer or advanced age should often be offered “watchful waiting” or “active surveillance” instead of treatment. Aftercare for long term side effects is frequently ineffective, expensive, not offered or nonexistent. Prostate cancer patients are seldom told about chronic fatigue and the true risk of side effects are usually understated. Modern medicine often fails and victimizes prostate cancer patients.

If a patient has intermediate or high risk prostate cancer and dose not have advanced age he may need treatment. He should look into other advanced treatments if available. Also he should try and avoid Hormone therapy if possible because of the multiple side effects. If advanced treatments are not available a 5 day SBRT radiation treatment may be considered (In my opinion, it could be the best of the bad choices). SBRT seems to be fast, least invasive and traumatic. ED and fatigue is still a long term risk. Radiation with Hormone therapy has a high risk of long term fatigue.

Protect yourself: Do not let the sterile, friendly and professional environment of a doctor’s office denture you from protecting yourself from overtreatment or any unnecessary life changing tests and treatments. If you are concerned about misuse or privacy issues, refuse to fill out EPIC questioners and limit the information given to relevant information only. If you have a high PSA or prostate cancer, educate yourself. A patient should be extremely skeptical if exaggerated claims are made about minimal long term side effects from conventional treatments or blind biopsies. Bring someone educated or astute with you to your consultations and appointments. Avoid doctors that are mostly profit motivated. Do not submit to a blind biopsy if other options are available. Get a second or third opinion if you are being offered treatment with low risk cancer or advanced age. Learn about all your treatment options, testing and side effects. Verify everything you are told. Under the HIPAA law you are entitle to a copy of all your medical records and bills. Be very cautious if you are ever refused a copy of your records; demand a copy of your records and a reason for any denial and seek other advice. Get a copy and keep a file of your test results, biopsy report-Gleason score, PSA, MRI report, treatment plan, bills, insurance payouts, etc.. Carefully monitor your PSA. Expect a temporary increase (for weeks or months) in PSA after most procedures. Contact a good prostate cancer support group like PAACT “Patient Advocates for Advanced Cancer Treatments” at 616 453-1477 or a local support group without a conflict of interest.

Disclaimer: I have no confect of interest. I have no affiliation with any support group or other organization. I am not a doctor. I do not prevent, treat, diagnose, cure or advise on medical matters. The information above is for educational purposes only. If you need treatment or medical advice, consult a competent and trustworthy medical doctor.

November 04, 2017

Thank you for great insight. I am going to Moffit center in Tampa on Dec. 7. Then DaVinci op after that. Considered all the options carefully first.
73. Great shape. Never ill before. Ever. I pray this is the best choice. Diagnosis after biopsy, cystoscopy, CT’s, bone scans. = nonmalignant benign prostate cancer but 28% on one strand questionable. Decided to have it removed before it can spread or become malignant. Nothing outside of the prostate. All good. Any advice most welcome. E mail:

William Bailen
December 20, 2016

Had the Davinci procedure 8/1/2012 and have had zero erections to date… The main issue is scar tissue build up at the bladder head. Urine flow is but a trickle with incomplete bladder emptying. Leaking is a constant issue and need to urinate q 2hr around-the-clock. Post-op had an outpatient SX procedure to open the ureter. However the fix only lasted 3 months and subsequent cystoscope ramrod procedures(x3) to stretch the opening lasted 3 months. Is there a new/different procedure? Also my urologist encouraged me to self administer a catheter daily after each procedure. I was successful in 2 of 20 attempts!

December 19, 2016

I will be most grateful if could please tell me the name of the surgeon that performed your operation that you wrote the following about?

“Well, first of all, his background. He was originally trained as a surgeon who did open prostatectomies. But then he became intrigued with laparoscopic surgery, so he went to France to learn the technique, and then started using it in his own practice. When robotic laparoscopic surgery came out, he also took the time to learn it [see Figure 1]. So I saw someone who was on the cutting edge, who had taken the time to ensure he could be the best surgeon he could be. It just gave me a lot of confidence.”

Mirko Kljajic
November 17, 2016

Had robotic surgery to remove prostate on November 2nd. Had extremely painful 7 days post op.
Catheter removed on November 10th. Ever since catheter was removed, I am leaking constantly without any urinary control. I already regretted having surgery. I am 51 and my Gleason was 7 (4+3). SE from surgery are extremee and I do not know if I will ever overcome them.
Surgery was the biggest mistake in my life.

November 17, 2016

I am due to have robotic surgery and am already aware that no nerve bundles can be saved. Can anyone tell me their experiences of being able to have erectile function via use pump or injection/viagra post op?

Dan Alwood
August 20, 2016

I had a robotic prostatectomy in December 2014, a that age of 53. Maintaining potency was of paramount importance to me. Unfortunately, 19 months later, I still have 0% potency. Cialis did nothing for me, and the pills are expensive. I could get an erection with injections, but the erections were painful, and lasted for very several hours. I even had to go to the hospital twice to relieve them before priapism set in. I gave up on both Cialis and injections.

I now live in a sexless marriage (admittedly, there are other relationship issues). I’m 55 now. I wasn’t ready to give up sex yet. One good thing is I have 100% continence, and never have had to wear a pad. Bottom line is do not have a prostatectomy unless you are ready to give up potency. Maybe you’ll get it back, but the odds are high against it. If I had to do it over again, I’d take my chances with prostate cancer.

Waheeduddin khaja
August 16, 2016

Please let me know the doctrors name and ph no. I am desperate to know

May 12, 2016


May 12, 2016

My Robotic surgery was a year ago now. I sleep well with no pads at all. I don;t need pads but I will leak if I sneeze suddenly without being prepared. I have no erections but am constantly bothered by powerful urges to masturbate I feel flush all over when this happens which seems to be more often. I feel ugly after giving in to these urges but I can’t seem to make them go away. Once in a great while I get a little firmness and I wonder if nerves could grow back that were removed. I wish I didn’t have any sexual arousal at all as I think its sinful but its like something more chemical going on in me much more than even before surgery Strange stuff Has anyone else had this going on? Robert

Mark mathes
March 19, 2016

I am post op 6 months. I had the robotic prostectomey procedure, which went well for the most part.
However, after a cluster of lyump nodes were removed…… did show a very small amount
Of cancer cells. A few days after the operation, I started having severe pain in my left groin.
Some swelling then appeared………and the pain went to 10 plus. I thought I would go out of my mind, and after 2 weeks of visits to and from the hospital, no one knew what it was. Finally, one
Brilliant young Doctor asked if I had an MRI with contrast…………well no, had not, he ordered one immediately, and they found 300 ml of fluid in a remaining lyump node….which I am told is common.
This put so much pressure on my femeral artery, that it cut off blood supply, and caused a blood
Clot 12 inches long in my left leg. Wow……the pain was like nothing I had ever felt in my 65 years.
Today, after putting me on an exsparerental drug ( Eduxaban) my leg is fine, I have very
Little continence issue…..maybe a cough, or sudden movement………..BUT beware folks,
No erection at all! Nothing, not with pills, not with injection……..nothing. Have managed to have an
Organism soft…..yes it can be done, but the exspearence is not the same. This has changed me
Dramatically………..I am trying to adjust, but it cause’s me constant feelings of loss like I never
Excepted. They do not dwell on this, and pass over the subject quickly during your investagative
Inquiries. My take away was this….. It was an elegant approach to a barbaric act……..think it through very carefully.

January 07, 2018

Yours was similar to mine. I had a small amount in one lymph node. All else was clear. Large tumor psa .008 for 2 years. Still leak and no erections at all. Has wrecked life since surgery on 58 at surgery did they recommend any treatment after surgery

February 13, 2016

I am now 70 years old and good shape good body. I used to be a swimmer.Sorry my English is not good. I had a operation prostate 2005 Robotic Prostactamy. After that later I start takin Cialis and Viagra. it help me little bet after year so later then that it did now work well. So no I am thinking having Penile implant.I did talk with Doctor in NY. but I am still not to sure about that. Is there a any possibility it wont work or harm the penis or some thing else. I am not good with injection.When doctor examed me he give one injection for mesurment. It did get harder but was not natural feelings. Now I do not know what I should do. Any suggestion I would appreciate very much. What is the best thing for me. I hear Pump but Doctor told me no. He suggested penile implant. Thank you.

February 04, 2016

i had surgery october of 2011. the first i had sex was 2 weeks after my surgery it was a strange at first but i have not had one problem since my surgery. No pills no pump it has been great and i am 72 now.

January 14, 2016

I had the robotic surgery about a month ago. Last night I had my first attempt at sexual functions. Before surgery I was able to obtain a degree of erection without pills or pumps but since the surgery there is maybe 10-20% of an erection, even with the blue pills.

I’ve still maintained the sexual desire/drive but last night’s experiment was quite depressing. As things built up and what I thought I was about to experience what I considered my first non-prostate orgasm it was extremely non-climatic (no pun intended). No orgasm at all. It was just like someone turned off a switch in me at just the peak moment.

I hope this is temporary as I have totally lost my sensations of having an orgasm.

Rick Parent
January 14, 2016

I am 62 and trying to make my decision on robotic or barachtherapy I am really leaning towards the surgery, I am young in good shape and have absolutely no issues with erections my wife an I are sexually active. I am just worried about afterwards. I was a Gleason 7 a 4-3 . My surgeon says he can save the nerves on the right side but not sure about the left side being the tumour is on the left side of the prostate. What are your thoughts

December 30, 2015

I had surgery a week ago taking my catheter out tomorrow. Best thing I heard is you can have sex at the bottom of a pine box. Fortunately at 63 I’ve had a very high sex life. If it returns awesome if not I’m alive

Mike D
December 03, 2015

I’m a 47 year old African American with a Gleason of 3+3. I am scheduled for a robotic removal on Monday the 7th. I was diagnosed on 8/19/15. I am nervous about potency as I am a young guy with a younger wife. When some of you say the orgasm is different is that in intensity or length of sensation?

May 16, 2016

Hey Mike my name is Robert I’m 45 facing the same decisions as u. Could u please email me so I possibly have the chance to talk to u any advice would very appreciated please!!!

Renato Pereira
October 26, 2015

I have had robot prostatectomy on 10/15/15 with one of the best surgeons available. As soon as my catheter was removed I was advised to use pads. I ‘ve used one between the clinic and my hotel in NYC (Im brazilian). Not even one more. Im completely dry. Im 56 and in pretty good shape. My biggest concern before the surgery was about sexual potency outcome. My doctor told me to start taking claims 48h after catheter removal.Well, 24 hours before that I was playing around and having sex with my wife ( I was oriented not to do so, but I couldn’t stop). Of course it wasn’t a 100% erection. I would say it was like 75%. Now, 3 days latter, I can say that Im having 85-90% erctions WITHOUT taking any cialiss, as I never used to do before the procedure. I feel very very happy. And Im taking the time to write this down to share with all man searching for information that incontinency and impotency is not necessarily an outcome of RP.

Michael f.
June 30, 2016

TThanks for the positive feedback. It gives me hope

October 15, 2016

May I ask who performed your surgery?

Terry Garrett
August 24, 2017

Who was your surgeon?
How many biopsies were cancerous?
Was it a davinci smart surgery?

houssam tohme
November 10, 2017

Good to hear that all went well after the surgery.I am having an early stage prostate cancer and i am looking for a well experienced surgeon.can you provide me with the with your doctor’s name and the hospital name.many thanks

neal harrison
December 23, 2014

Bob Marino: I too find orgasms differently if I am actually having one. How is yours different? robotic surgery 18 months ago

Richard LaBarca
November 17, 2014

I’m 65 and on biopsy 4 samples showed perineural invasion. My concern is that the nerves will not be spared. Are the chances higher of having a non-nerve sparing robotic operation when PNI is apparent?

Bob Marino
August 10, 2014

Had my surgery almost 2 years ago. I’m 66. Only time I leak is when I sneeze or have a deep cough. Use a pump to get a full erection. Orgasms are different, but still enjoy sex.

peter cain
May 14, 2014

I had robotic prosectomy 22 days ago I get quite tired and pee a lot in my pants when I am walking around the house or walking outside ,it must be difficult to return to work as such .I do my kagel which can be painful,also I produce a lot of urine in the night .I have been told things will improve ,

July 31, 2016

I am also on my 2nd week of post op robotic surgery. I am constantly peeing almost nonstop when walking around and doing daily activities. It has been very uncomfortable and frustrating. I do my kegels but still not seeing any significant improvements. Do u now have or does anyone have any suggestions to improve incontinence recovery time? Antonio

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